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		<title>By: Links 08/11/2009: Good Mandriva and Ubuntu Reviews &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 08/11/2009: Good Mandriva and Ubuntu Reviews &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who Really Has the Moral High Ground on Filesharing? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paying Attention to Filesharing &#124; mistypedURL</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Paying Attention to Filesharing &#124; mistypedURL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many, if not most filesharers. Rather than trying to get something for free instead of buying it, they are sharing an infinite resource with interested peers that has marginal replication cost. Regardless of how one may feel about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] many, if not most filesharers. Rather than trying to get something for free instead of buying it, they are sharing an infinite resource with interested peers that has marginal replication cost. Regardless of how one may feel about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SteelWolf</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>SteelWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*tear*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*tear*</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Wolf, the formatting IS godawful :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Wolf, the formatting IS godawful <img src='http://mistypedurl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091001/1805496397.shtml

    Salient quote:
   &quot;&quot;The transfer of AutoCAD copies via the license is a transfer of ownership.&quot; 

    To my way of thinking, this seriously calls into question every EULA that attempts to put &quot;no resale&quot; clauses into it&#039;s license -- for the same reason that there&#039;s a &quot;first-sale&quot; exeption covering physical books.
    The &quot;first sale&quot; doctrine comes out of a court deicision where a publisher attempted to stiuplate that people could only re-sell THEIR copies for a minimum price (2 dollars, I believe) and that anything else was a violation of the publishers&#039; copyright.

    Thankfully they got slapped down on that but the software publishers have been trying to play that game for years:

    Salient quote:

   &quot;In that case, the publisher, Bobbs-Merrill, had inserted a notice in its books that any retail sale at a price under $1.00 would constitute an infringement of its copyright. The defendants, who owned Macy’s department store, disregarded the notice and sold the books at a lower price without Bobbs-Merrill’s consent. We held that the exclusive statutory right to &quot;vend&quot; applied only to the first sale of the copyrighted work...&quot;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine#Case_law

   In any case, this has absolutely no bearing on who has the moral high-ground on file-sharing.  Questions of &quot;moral high-ground&quot; go right out the window, when you take into consideration that copyright term lengths keep being raised semi-randomly, in hopes of eventually killing the &quot;Public Domain&quot; off, entirely.

     l8r</description>
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<p>    Salient quote:<br />
   &#8220;&#8221;The transfer of AutoCAD copies via the license is a transfer of ownership.&#8221; </p>
<p>    To my way of thinking, this seriously calls into question every EULA that attempts to put &#8220;no resale&#8221; clauses into it&#8217;s license &#8212; for the same reason that there&#8217;s a &#8220;first-sale&#8221; exeption covering physical books.<br />
    The &#8220;first sale&#8221; doctrine comes out of a court deicision where a publisher attempted to stiuplate that people could only re-sell THEIR copies for a minimum price (2 dollars, I believe) and that anything else was a violation of the publishers&#8217; copyright.</p>
<p>    Thankfully they got slapped down on that but the software publishers have been trying to play that game for years:</p>
<p>    Salient quote:</p>
<p>   &#8220;In that case, the publisher, Bobbs-Merrill, had inserted a notice in its books that any retail sale at a price under $1.00 would constitute an infringement of its copyright. The defendants, who owned Macy’s department store, disregarded the notice and sold the books at a lower price without Bobbs-Merrill’s consent. We held that the exclusive statutory right to &#8220;vend&#8221; applied only to the first sale of the copyrighted work&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine#Case_law" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine#Case_law</a></p>
<p>   In any case, this has absolutely no bearing on who has the moral high-ground on file-sharing.  Questions of &#8220;moral high-ground&#8221; go right out the window, when you take into consideration that copyright term lengths keep being raised semi-randomly, in hopes of eventually killing the &#8220;Public Domain&#8221; off, entirely.</p>
<p>     l8r</p>
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		<title>By: How to Save the Music Industry &#124; mistypedURL</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Save the Music Industry &#124; mistypedURL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people would begin to realize what the ever-growing community of filesharers is realizing now: digital files are an infinite resource. A distribution nirvana, every copy of a digital file is indistinguishable from the original and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people would begin to realize what the ever-growing community of filesharers is realizing now: digital files are an infinite resource. A distribution nirvana, every copy of a digital file is indistinguishable from the original and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SteelWolf</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>SteelWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of fundamental problems with your argument, but I&#039;ll let that be for now. Just think about this - if all of my possessions were infinite, and you took them all, we&#039;d both have them. Each of our lives would be enriched by sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of fundamental problems with your argument, but I&#8217;ll let that be for now. Just think about this &#8211; if all of my possessions were infinite, and you took them all, we&#8217;d both have them. Each of our lives would be enriched by sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiel</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a complete load of fucking bollocks.
A writer / musician / film-maker etc has the RIGHT to make money and own their creations.
THEIR CREATIONS.
They don&#039;t belong to anyone else unless they CHOOSE to distribute them.
Just because the technology exists, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s right. The technology is there to shoot you. Doesn&#039;t mean it would be right (hmm).
Your sense of entitlement is typical of the keyboard philosopher / slacker who has no empathy for those who create all the media and art they enjoy and consume, but ultimately sees these things as disposable.
Just a philistine and coward who has been given a voice by the internet.
This is our CAREER, not a hobby.
Maybe I&#039;ll come round to your house and rob all your possessions - then share them out to whoever I like.
Would that fir your model?

Fuck you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a complete load of fucking bollocks.<br />
A writer / musician / film-maker etc has the RIGHT to make money and own their creations.<br />
THEIR CREATIONS.<br />
They don&#8217;t belong to anyone else unless they CHOOSE to distribute them.<br />
Just because the technology exists, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s right. The technology is there to shoot you. Doesn&#8217;t mean it would be right (hmm).<br />
Your sense of entitlement is typical of the keyboard philosopher / slacker who has no empathy for those who create all the media and art they enjoy and consume, but ultimately sees these things as disposable.<br />
Just a philistine and coward who has been given a voice by the internet.<br />
This is our CAREER, not a hobby.<br />
Maybe I&#8217;ll come round to your house and rob all your possessions &#8211; then share them out to whoever I like.<br />
Would that fir your model?</p>
<p>Fuck you.</p>
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		<title>By: SteelWolf</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>SteelWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, the first can (and must) be recouped through alternative means and the second is a misunderstanding of how the market works.
QED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, the first can (and must) be recouped through alternative means and the second is a misunderstanding of how the market works.<br />
QED</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Murphy</title>
		<link>http://mistypedurl.com/2009/09/who-really-has-the-moral-high-ground-on-filesharing/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m saying.  If you don&#039;t agree, I don&#039;t really care.  Hence me saying agree to disagree.  But I am pretty darn sure I&#039;m right in this case (maybe not in all cases when you&#039;re dealing with something that isn&#039;t scarce, but in this one, yes).

QED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m saying.  If you don&#8217;t agree, I don&#8217;t really care.  Hence me saying agree to disagree.  But I am pretty darn sure I&#8217;m right in this case (maybe not in all cases when you&#8217;re dealing with something that isn&#8217;t scarce, but in this one, yes).</p>
<p>QED</p>
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